Crying! At The Crypto Conference

[00:00] You're in my DMs. He's picking me up a bacon, egg, and cheese on a roll. [00:05] Wait, say one more time. Say it. Okay. Oh, oh. You're in my DMs. He's picking up a bacon egg and cheese on a roll. Okay, here's what I don't like about that one. It's a little bit like... [00:16] smug married. [00:18] Like, I'm like, you know what I mean? It's like, I'm married. Ew, ew, ew. I know that's how he meant. Ew, okay. Also, nobody's in my DMs. That's the joke. [00:34] Hello, I'm Natasha Hoskins. I'm Dina Burke. And this is Boys Club. Wait, is it just Boys Club? It's just Boys Club. The Boys Club podcast? No, no. No. [00:45] Just boy stuff. [00:46] Okay. Welcome to the pod. How's it going? Hi Dina. Um, Dina, what's boys club? So boys club is a social club and community for women in web three. [00:58] Does that check out to you? [00:59] That checks out to me. Okay, great. We're welcoming the next, how many women? [01:04] I don't know. We went from 5,000. It went from 5,000 to now, I don't know, I see 10, 10 million flowing around, flowing around the internet. Um, anyway, we throw events, we have curriculum, we do content, we have this podcast checks out. [01:20] We love, we love to have more ladies in the, in the mix boys club.vip. Dropping that VIP a little bit. I'm right around that. [01:27] We're we've committed now. Okay. So on today's pod, we have a very special guest, Leighton Cusack, who is

[01:39] Good hang. Really great hang. And we talked about... [01:43] m'ladies with him. He's being investigated by the FBI for having a PFP that is like such a [01:51] crevice of the internet it's it's astounding i'm looking at one of those ladies right now and it's like oh [01:58] Sort of looks like a cheaply designed anime girl. It's one. There's lots of different iterations, as you can imagine. This one is wearing a visor that says Aloha. She has a single earring that's a hamburger and like some like weird sunglasses. And the caption of the tweet says, [02:17] fuck it. We ball. That's actually one of the steamer ones. That's, that's very low key. My favorite one. So we did this podcast with Lay and it was so fun. He's a wonderful person. You'll hear more about him in a bit, but we did this. And then afterward he started sending us all of these other tweets about this PFP project that are truly amazing. [02:40] Just bizarre and hilarious and very like layered. My personal favorite is it's again, one of these cheaply anime characters with braids on either side, smoking a cigarette. And it has a, like sort of a trucker hat on that says, please be patient with me. I'm so, and it has a sniper rifle and in the scope of the sniper rifle, it's a board ape. I think it's a board ape also with bunny ears. I don't know. Well, maybe that's what they are,

[03:10] Yeah, it's so absurd. And so Leighton does God's work in explaining... [03:15] To us. [03:16] about my ladies. Now we know [03:18] But have you bought, have you bought a lady? I think the floor first. They're like one, one, no, no, no. Okay. So first we had Layton on, we, we unpacked some ladies. And then we talked about our Dow and we talked about spreading ourselves too thin, maybe. [03:33] Mm-hmm. Going deeper, going wide. Yeah. What to do. What to do about that. And then, um, we had a feeling struck in and we talked about, um, [03:42] crying at crypto conferences. [03:44] It's par for the course at this point. Table stakes. [03:51] For this week's guest on Explain This Tweet, we have Leighton Cusack with us, who is the co-founder and CEO of Pool Together, also the founder of PleaserDAO, which is this very cool NFT art collective thing. And also just like an all-around good time guy. We love him. Good time guy. Good time. Welcome. Thank you. I'm excited to be here and talk about tweets. Never thought this would happen. [04:21] Disclosure, Leighton and I have known each other for like, [04:24] 11, 12 years, just little babies. So this is really particularly fun for me. [04:29] So today's tweet... [04:32] that we're going to explain [04:34] uh was sent by Leighton by the way Leighton's handle on Twitter lay 2000 pounds can we just do a quick unpack of the handle the handle

[04:45] yeah well the handle is lay two zero zero zero lbs and so two thousand pounds is a ton my name is [04:52] Layton, but it's spelled L-E-I-G-H-T-U-I. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. Very clever. Someone's smart. I love it. Um, okay. Actually, I actually, one of my like friends in high school, like came up with that for me and I've just been using it ever since. Does he get royalty payments? No. Okay. So the tweet was sent, uh, March 26th, uh, from Layton. Okay. I'm going to read it out. [05:17] In case of an investigation by the FBI or similar government agency, [05:22] I do not have any involvement with m'lady or at m'lady maker. I do not know how it became my PFP, probably added by a third party. I do not support any actions by members of this group or Tom at Tom H. Schmidt. [05:39] A lot going on there. Natasha, what's your percentage comprehension of this tweet? Ooh. Okay. So I feel like one visual element that also needs to be brought into this is Layton's profile picture right now, which is PFP, which I know that. So I'm feeling good about that. It's sort of like a, like an animated anime, like child girl with very big eyes who's maybe crying. [06:09] you [06:10] my first read of this is I was like, Oh man, it's gotten into something. No good. This is no good. And then I was like, okay, wait, no, this is a joke. Um, so there's parody. There's some parody. There's some parody here. Yeah. I can send some parody with the PFP. When he said we became my PFP, I was like, okay, so this is, this is a, this is an NFT project. Milady maker must be a PFP project. So I understand that I'm, I'm at a 50%

[06:38] uh like understanding we know it's nft we know it's an ft it's a non-fungible token we know yes we know it's a parody that's about it okay tom schmidt [06:49] No, I have no idea who that is. No idea. Okay. Yeah. I'd say for me, similar, I don't know who Tom Schmidt is. I mean, uh, my lady, well, here's here, I have a little bit more context, which is that I've seen you and Rachel, Rachel Lull tweet a lot about my lady. And I think also David Hoffman from Bankless, was he doing some lady stuff? Yeah. Here's more, here's more into the MFers. Yeah. Well, I saw it, [07:15] sweep like a wave through my timeline. And so I, yeah, that's, that's my only context, but I don't get the joke. So please tell us the joke. I mean, I will explain it to the best of my ability. I don't even fully get the joke, but I thought it was fun. And that, that hopefully is like, you don't have to fully understand it to participate in it. Like that's, that's, that's [07:45] with Milady's. So Milady is the classic [07:48] 10K PFP project. So 10K means there's 10,000 that exist. [07:53] And PFP stands for profile picture. So it's a 10K NFT project. And [07:58] Sort of the vibe of Miladies is, you know, so a lot of like the NFT projects, they sort of try to be like, hey, they try to convince you to buy them. Like, you should buy this. Like, here's our roadmap. Here's our utility, et cetera.

[08:12] the vibe of m'lady is like the opposite it's like it's like [08:18] Only like, only like- Anti-utility. It's like anti-utility. There's no roadmap. It's like, there's no, like, like, only the most insane people would ever want to own these things. And sort of part of the joke around that is like- [08:31] like, [08:32] the government's investigating all the owners of these things. There's the IRS is going to investigate these owners. The FBI is investigating. People who own these PFPs are like, [08:43] Yeah. Our cringe. And so, Oh wait, cringe, fringe, fringe, fringe, fringe, fringe, fringe would be better. Yeah. Cringe. Yeah. They're like fringe people. And so, um, and, and, and also, you know, [08:58] this maybe is really in the details, but like this project has started, like started minting, you know how sometimes people, most projects will mint out within like a second or whatever. This project minted for like months and no one like won. Oh, I love that. I love it. Can I just ask a quick clarifying question? So this sort of, um, [09:17] like outsiders, like, [09:19] take that m'lady is really going for is it intentional like did the creator did the m'lady craters [09:27] set out with that type of vibe or was it, did it sort of just like accidentally happen because a bunch of people like you sort of saw the potential? Yeah. Like, is it like a mean? Yeah. [09:38] I think it's intentional, but not as like a marketing method. I think it's just that like the artist...

[09:44] in the team is just like pretty... [09:46] They just see it as a fun project, just have fun with it. [09:51] If you look at like Meladia Maker, sometimes I call it Milady, sometimes I call it Meladia. Okay, nice. Same word. If you look at Meladia Maker, like their Twitter, like there's all sorts of just like ridiculous stuff on there where you're like. [10:00] If you were trying to promote this project, you would not be saying this. So it's like a puppet's art. [10:05] And I see 10K PFBS performance art and sort of spending up the whole... [10:12] sort of system of PFE's. I love it. Keep going. [10:16] Yeah, okay. So anyways, this was one, it was just around for a long time. [10:21] And so I want to tell you, though, how I-- [10:23] how I found it and how I got into it. The way I found it is Tom Smith, who I tagged in this tweet, who's just a person in the crypto space and investor, [10:32] He changed his profile photo to... [10:35] a milady. [10:36] And I was like, whoa, that's so cool. I just, I just like, when I saw it, I just liked it. I was like, I just think this is like a cool looking photo. And... [10:44] I asked him, I was like, what is that? I really like it. And he's like, oh, it's just like, [10:48] m'lady thing and like it's not even minted out and they're selling for like 0.08 ETH which is like pretty low for NFTs. [10:57] And so I was like, sweet, I'm going to go get one. And so I got one. And then I made it my profile photo. So that's how I found it. So there's not like... [11:06] You know, and that would be what I say to listeners too, is just like, [11:09] I don't know. I would not... [11:11] I would not try to take [11:13] a investment mentality to nfts i would take like a mentality of like what's funny what's cool what do i like and just buy those and like this is not investment advice this is not investment advice but but but specifically what i'm saying is like don't even think of your nfts as investments um you always had that take you've always had that take and then you have been right a lot and then wrong a few times and it's made me feel really accepted in this space definitely oh yeah well

[11:43] about my board eight that I sold. Well, yeah, we were a tiny, tiny amount of money. I do want to, I do want to actually bring that into the conversation because so Layton was at, uh, the solo connect conference last week with me and he was up on stage on a panel and he, uh, yeah, dropped the bomb that he sold his board eight for, was it two E's? [12:04] Two ETH, yeah. That was in like July. And then, you know, now- So clearly this is not financial advice. Clearly this is not financial advice. Anyway, okay. So, so far we talked about [12:16] what new ladies are as a pfp project how i found it myself so then i'm on twitter i'm liking all this there's all this people talking about like making all these jokes about like [12:25] m'lady's being investigated by the IRS or the FBI or like m'lady holders being like these really fringe crazy people. [12:34] And I just think it's really funny. And one, another like sort of meme format of crypto Twitter is basically just like called like copy pasta, like copy paste, where you just basically... [12:44] If you see something ridiculous, you sort of just... [12:46] copy and retweet it for yourself. Like you, you don't retweet it. You like copy it, [12:51] And then tweet it yourself. No, no, just pure plagiarism. No. Yes, just pure plagiarism. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So you just like, and like, it's oftentimes done as a way to like, [13:01] make fun of the person who was originally posting it like if someone posts like some ridiculous thing where they're like like [13:06] you know the token prices are going down devs need to do something and then the person will like copy it and retweet it be like the token prices are going down like it's just like that's one way but in this case

[13:16] In this case, I saw a few different people who were like, [13:18] just copying and pasting. [13:20] the same thing, which I think is just funny because it's like a disclaimer. It's like basically saying like, yeah, hey, if there's ever like so. So I saw a few people who are doing that. So I like, you know, I'm following the meme template in my mind. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to copy and paste this. [13:35] I did edit it a little bit though. So I sort of deviated because I added Tom Smith at the end because, and that was just because, [13:42] I had seen his profile photo. That's how I found it. So I was just like, I'm not associated with Tom Schnitt. [13:47] So basically, I just saw someone else talking about the FBI. [13:52] like this disclaimer, and I thought it was really funny. And I'm like, I'm just gonna copy, paste this, add Tom Smith at the end. [13:57] Send tweet. [13:58] And [13:59] Yeah. Here we are. [14:04] I love it. I really love it. I feel like I have such a deeper understanding of what's happening here. I had no idea that that was like, I feel like this is an education in crypto Twitter too. I had no idea people do that. [14:16] the copy and paste thing. I don't think it's just crypto Twitter. I will say I saw one this morning that was, did you guys see the, the tweet, the butter bodega tweet that went viral where someone was like, I saw someone this morning, copy pasta, that one, except instead of holding butter, they were, it was a handful of teeth, of human teeth. And they were like, I don't know. It's really hard to explain. Like, unless you've seen the, like copy pasta only works when like you've seen it. Right. Yeah. [14:42] It's an exceptional... [14:45] Like,

[14:46] remarkable tweet that's like either really tone deaf [14:50] really empowering, really sort of like posturing. Those are, those are what makes like the best [14:55] Or like very popular. And so then people take the [14:59] that format and repurpose it. I am curious, like where the FBI is, [15:04] Like where this originated? Like, I'm curious, like the, [15:08] origins of the [15:09] format but I guess we'll never know I mean yeah I honestly like all I I don't even know that's where I'm like I don't know I think it just comes though from this like [15:19] the culture around the project is, like I said, there's just a lot of jokes and I should try and find some other ones just about like, [15:27] the government's investigating all milady holders, like those types of things. And so, but I would say this. So if you see something like really ridiculous like that, [15:36] Like a lot of times, [15:38] it you should probably assume like oh this is someone copying someone else and just like reposting it okay okay wow layton i've learned a lot um natasha are you at 100 i'm at 100 i feel like i need oh wait has this project sold out where's the floor price that's that's that's the thing is like so like can i get in the projects did sell out shortly like [16:03] It sort of, yeah, it hit a wave. So basically like, [16:05] Um, [16:06] A week or so after I had bought it, the project sold out. And now the floor prices, I'm just looking, it's 0.878. So it's up, it's gone up 10x, I guess. Oh my gosh, look at this. Buy what you love, as they say. Buy what you love. Yeah, they kind of had a moment, but you know, who knows? Who knows what happens next? Are you selling or are you holding?

[16:25] Well, I had, I bought two, I sold one and I'm holding my other one because it's my profile photo. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, you always buy two NFTs. That's the one thing you always buy two because you always got to keep one. If you like it, you always want to keep one. And then you always want to have one to sell. [16:55] brain on, um, backing. No, this is fun. We're going to have to have you back on at some point. [17:02] Yeah, I need to tweet more crazy stuff so I can get back on here. There you go. Okay, thanks so much, Leighton. Thank you so much. [17:08] Thank you. [17:21] Okay, Dina. [17:22] What's going on in our Dow this week? [17:25] Okay, so something that's been really sticking with me is that we got... [17:30] I was having a conversation with someone on the founding team this week and she gave me some feedback that was like, hey, [17:38] we're sort of just like talking about everything that going on and like, there's a lot going on. And we were sort of, [17:43] just running through all the things. And she was like, Hey, I, [17:47] you know, some feedback would be maybe... [17:51] we should try... [17:53] focusing on doing one thing really, really well,

[17:56] as opposed to like, [18:01] spreading ourselves really thin and, you know, [18:04] doing a lot of stuff. [18:05] And I think what she meant by that was like, [18:10] not a reflection of necessarily, I think the quality of the things that we're shipping, although maybe, but I sort of took it as like, um, [18:18] She. [18:20] that [18:22] I don't know if we like want to like build a meaningful business here, then like we need to [18:28] put more focus and energy and resources around a couple of bets, a couple of big bets. Okay. So she said that and she gave me that feedback and I was like, totally took it on board. And like, I think it's, it's very true. And as I was thinking about it more, I was like, man, okay, well what, what I'm coming up against with that is that [18:45] Boys club. [18:47] Well, Web3 is... [18:48] Really? [18:50] is... [18:51] All about momentum. Everything's about momentum. Yeah. And you have to be constantly like, [18:58] you [18:58] like harnessing and channeling and like feeding that beating the momentum. Right. Like otherwise, because this world moves so fast and there's like a million things that pop up every day. And like [19:09] in order to stay top of mind, like you gotta stay, you gotta like be really intentional about it and like do the work. And so I think that's like, [19:17] when I'm like, okay, let's, let's like, and like, if we want to, [19:23] do this and if we want to make boys club work we need to like be playing the game of like

[19:29] momentum and growth. And so we have to like, [19:32] have this crazy shipping culture and, um, [19:36] um, [19:37] And I think that like, [19:38] I don't know, there feels like there's a tension between that [19:42] And [19:44] this other... [19:46] approach which would be focus on one thing and like try and land that plane or those planes and [19:52] Yeah, I wonder... [19:54] What does that bring up for you? [19:57] I think what it brings up for me is, I think, [20:03] I think there's like two... [20:05] ways of thinking about it. One is that [20:09] I don't think it's a critique of the quality of what we're doing. Cause I think part of the reason why we're all killing ourselves is because [20:17] We're premium product. Like we're like a very, we're like really thinking about how everything we do, we do with excellence and make sure there's like a real polish to everything. [20:28] the stuff that we're shipping. Mm-hmm. [20:30] And so, but that the flip side of that is that like, there's a lot of work and it's sort of, uh, difficult in a DAO structure where you have a lot of contributors and a lot of things going on. So yeah. [20:43] It sort of feels like, okay, there's like two paths. Then one is to continue doing all of this stuff and just shipping it with a less tighter hand around each thing that's going out and less quality control, which is terrifying to me. And then the other option is. [20:59] We have all these things going on. We have doubt formation. We have NFT project. We have merge. We have curriculum. We have content. We have events like all of this stuff that we are working on plate, these plates that are spinning and.

[21:10] turn one off or turn a few off and focus on another feels like you're shutting down opportunity. Yeah. And yeah. [21:18] I think for us, it was like, [21:20] the whole idea was [21:23] Like we did boys club and then it just exploded. And like all of these things started popping up from it, all of these different things. [21:30] opportunities and things for us to be working on and, and talented people willing to lead these things. And, um, [21:37] My, both of our knee-jerk reaction was like, let's just throw spaghetti at the walls, throw spaghetti at the wall until. [21:43] And we'll see what sticks and like one or two of them will stick. And then we'll be like, great. Those are the things we're going to do. And yeah. [21:49] The good problem to have that we're facing is like everything's sort of sticking. Like there's not been something that we've done that I've been like, clearly we should like turn off that spigot and like reallocate resources. Like they've all had some, some version of traction and yeah. [22:04] Then our initial idea was like, [22:06] We'll see. And now we've gotten ourselves in this pickle of, you know, [22:11] All. [22:12] There's nothing that I look at that I'm like, it makes sense to just focus on that. Or it makes sense to not be allocating resources towards that anymore. And I'm like, [22:22] So, [22:23] It's hard for someone like I think us to say like, let's stop doing that. [22:27] You know what I mean? Yeah. [22:30] Yeah, I also think that there's something where it's like, [22:33] Because we're like the most immediate path is for us to like, there's zero dollars. There's a money. [22:40] And so it's not like we're paying paychecks.

[22:42] Yeah. Anyone, ourselves included. There's literally like $18 in the bank. $18. [22:46] ENS tokens. [22:51] So when we're thinking about allocating [22:54] resources. Like we, there's a, [22:58] There's not that scarce, like we're not looking at a runway. [23:01] Mm-hmm. [23:02] that's going down every time we decide to open up a new project, right? [23:08] What we're drawing down on is our own personal, like, well, first of all, it's bringing in a new team and then it's our own personal team. [23:16] time and bandwidth to like manage that team since we're, [23:21] going to be [23:22] we're tracking contribution and going to be rewarding contribution and [23:26] presumably tokens or an NFT or something along those lines. So, and all of that is [23:32] is value, right? So like, but I think because it's sort of, [23:36] in this different world, things are getting evaluated differently. And, you know, [23:42] I think we're pursuing stuff much more [23:45] aggressively than we would if like we had a p and l that we're managing right and [23:50] Right. [23:51] I also think... [23:54] Our previous business all call. [23:56] was so hard. And, [23:59] never got product market fit in like a meaningful way. [24:03] And [24:05] I feel like in boys club, we both like, [24:08] Showed up to the grocery store hungry. Like we were like, [24:11] we want this to work and, um,

[24:15] And in that, even in that like early November days, what it meant to work was like, we want people to show up to this dinner. And then like people show up to the dinner and it was like, [24:25] almost like a ravenous feeling of like, Oh my God, this is working. And like, [24:33] I feel like I got like, I was like a hamster on a wheel. And then all of a sudden it was just like, this wheel's like, I can't get off. [24:49] And... [24:50] Okay. [24:51] Time for the feelings check-in. Time for the feelings check-in. [24:56] Okay. Do you want to go first? I do. Okay. So I really want to jump right in here. I went to a crypto conference this week. [25:06] in Barcelona for cello, my, my day job. It was so wonderful. Um, [25:13] And I cried. I cried. And I cried. It's not a crypto conference without some tears. Honestly, at this point, it's a trend and it's like on the bingo card for the crypto conference when I'm preparing. So were tears shed? Yes, they were. Stress tears? Happy tears? What? Oh, happy tears. [25:43] Well, first of all, I do want to clarify I was alone. It was a solitary tear. I didn't let anyone...

[25:50] get the best of me. Yeah. Um, yeah, [25:53] So I was alone. I cried. Um, [25:57] I cried because I mean, it was, it's stress. Like I'm on the marketing team and events is a big part. Like there was a lot of work, like actual work to do and a lot of pressure. Thank you so much. Great job. Um, [26:09] But I, [26:11] The, it was primarily like, um, [26:15] Thank you. [26:15] I, I, [26:17] Like, I... [26:18] sort of I'm walking around that world and I, [26:23] It's... [26:25] you know, in Boar's Club, [26:26] we're here, we're hanging out with everyone. [26:29] And... [26:31] we're all just like, [26:33] So accepting of where anyone is in their journey, right? In Web3. [26:38] Just it's tableclips only. Yeah. Good vibes only. And like anyone and everyone's welcome. And like we're, we're, there's no judgment or like, [26:49] And like, it's all good. And like, that's the, that's the point of it. And like, it feels just really supportive and nice. And like, we all are just like really rooting for each other. And yeah. [27:00] I was at this conference and... [27:03] um, [27:04] first of all it's a wonderful group of people it's it's really not a reflection of them at all but like that [27:11] was just missing for me. And I was all of a sudden like, what's, and I think on top of that, I was like, what's my, what's my role in the wider web three and crypto world? Like I'm not a technical person. I have the loosest grasp on it. I, I, and I know enough to like,

[27:30] get around and like have a job, but it's, it's not like I'm not fluent in, [27:37] in that. And so when I'm at a conference with [27:41] a bunch of people who [27:43] like speak that language and I'm there. I just like, don't know. [27:49] Yeah, I guess I was just like, what am I here for? Like, or not what am I here for, but like what... [27:54] What's your role? What am I bringing to this? Yeah. You know, what am I bringing to this community? And like, and then looking around and not seeing my people and not feeling like this, like, [28:03] Yeah. Built-in support system, which I have in Boys Club. And I don't know, I was just like, I was upset and like wondering if I'm in the right place. Like if I'm... [28:13] like... [28:15] I don't know. So... [28:18] It upset me. [28:18] And I still like, and it's like, I guess it's imposter syndrome, but I feel like it's sort of a cousin to imposter syndrome, which is like... [28:27] I don't know. So... [28:30] Do you feel like... [28:32] Do you feel like there were other... [28:35] people there who felt similarly? [28:38] Like, do you feel like part of it is you feel like alone in that feeling? Yeah, I feel alone in that feeling. I feel like everyone else... [28:46] gets... [28:47] I don't know, like all the majority of the talks are... [28:52] about like technical innovation and the things that people are building and the things that people have built and are launching. And, [28:59] Um,

[29:01] And... [29:03] I just don't. [29:04] Like, I love watching it and seeing it. I just like, I don't know... [29:09] You're like, that's not me. It's not me. That's not what I'm going to do. Yeah. That's not what I'm going to do. And... [29:14] So I don't know. I've just had some feelings and I'm just like, I don't know. [29:20] what my role is here. [29:21] Oh, I hate that. I know you're having that feeling. Cause for me, it's just like, so obvious what your role is. Like, it's so needed. I mean, yeah. [29:31] I feel like we had so many conversations at the end of every night, your, your time, like 3.00 AM. [29:38] Like, I don't know, seven and. [29:41] Have you... [29:43] talking about how everybody is talking about onboarding. Like every single person is like talking about this incredible technology and innovation that they're doing, the things that they are putting out into the market. And then there's this like, [29:57] That's like 25, 30... [29:59] 40% of the conversation. And then the rest of the conversation is like, how the fuck are we going to get anybody on here? And like, how are we going to make this understandable to people? How are we going to think about the user experience? How are we going to think about how we market to people? And like, [30:12] None of it works. None of it matters if it's only technical people who are using these products. And like your role is so clear in that. I guess that that's, that's true. I think that there's like another element to it, which is that like, [30:26] Yes, but... [30:29] And those are more my people, but...

[30:31] those people are in the conference. Like, yeah, yeah. Like, and so I, I guess, [30:37] I just feel like, [30:39] and [30:41] no one gets me and that like, I'm like thinking about, and like raising these questions about things that like about language and about stuff like that. And people are like, like, [30:50] They're like, that's cute. I'm just like, yeah, it's cute. Like you're cute. Like that's a cute, like marketing challenge. That's so upsetting. And... [30:59] Yeah, and... [31:01] It feels bad. It has to be questioning whether or not it is valuable. And I like feel resentful. And I'm like, [31:08] Yes. [31:09] Yeah. It's like not actually imposter syndrome. It's like, [31:13] being made to feel small. [31:15] And like the things that you're good at. Yeah. And that's a really bad feeling. And like, it's like soft skills. Soft skills, yeah. Yeah. [31:22] Yeah. So anyway, that's my feeling. What about you? [31:25] Dina, I hate that. And you know that I think all of your skills are the hardest of skills. It couldn't be any harder. [31:34] So my feeling this week is just like, [31:36] we actually know more about what we're doing than I think we give ourselves credit for. Like a lot of the conversations that you were relaying back to me were people giving us advice about what we should have a boys club, which is cool. And like, I appreciate that. And they're only giving it to us because we're asking literally everybody we meet, but yeah, [31:54] It's because like, [31:56] that their advice is like, well, this is really great because of how DAO is structured. This is really, there's a huge opportunity because of X, Y, or Z. And like, some of those things are really valuable in their fresh perspective. But a lot of them, I was like, oh, we like really know what we're talking about. Like some of these things that we're hearing, I'm like, that doesn't actually make sense or that doesn't work. Or like, oh, there's like a lack of understanding about this space or this opportunity or our community or whatever. And that's a really refreshing feeling

[32:26] for the past two times we've done this podcast, I'm like, oh, I'm don't get it at all. Like there's been conversations that have been like, whoa, I'm, you know, I'm so base here. Um, so that's like a really nice feeling. [32:41] Okay. So is this week's feeling taken for you? A feeling of confidence? [32:44] A confidence moment. Look at this confidence. Lady. Okay, okay. Like, knock on wood. Let's not get, like, too carried away. I love it. That's great. Let's roll with that. Let's capture that. Yeah. It's so funny that that's what I took away. [32:57] from what you were talking to me when you were feeling like I feel small and that my skills are soft and, um, [33:05] I think it's just like a paradigm shift for, I want, I hope that you can have a paradigm shift around your experience a little bit because, you know, [33:13] What I picked up is almost the exact opposite of your feeling, which is also how we feel. Anytime we do any interview pitch, like any conversation we're both in, we're like texting each other, being like you crushed. And I just. [33:26] Totally did terrible. And the same text is like, Oh really? I think you did amazing. And I don't feel like I did that great. So that's just this a little bit more personified. [33:37] So feelings check in complete. Any other feelings? No feelings. Thank you. I love, I love a confident feeling. So let's roll with it. Let's roll with it. Let's keep it going.

[33:54] What are we doing here? It's draft tweets time. It's draft tweet time. I spent some time. [34:00] Going through these yesterday, thinking about the ones that I, I [34:04] want to do. I don't know. I don't know. I almost want to like workshop some of them. Let's hear it. [34:09] Okay. [34:10] Okay. I have my first, I have three. [34:13] What? [34:15] Go ahead. Okay. First one. Seventh layer of hell. [34:20] Selling clothes at Buffalo Exchange on a Saturday afternoon. [34:24] Did you do that? Yeah, I made 45 bucks. Oh my gosh, Natasha. You could not. That's not worth it. That's not worth it. I know. I know. I just, there's something about it. How long did you stay online? [34:40] *gasp* [34:40] I'm not willing to discuss. I can't, I can't believe that. Yeah, that is, that's just so true. I like that one. It feels, brings really accurate to me. Okay. Your turn. [34:52] Oh, well, I only have one and I sent it this week. Oh, what? Yeah. Well, I know. But like, I also... [35:00] want like [35:02] I also feel like I want to know if you understand the suite that I sent this week. [35:06] Okay. [35:07] Is it hot green tea or cold green tea? Oh, yeah. Oh, you do? You do? I do. Okay, read it again. Read it again. Is it hot green tea or cold green tea at Vitalik Buterin? So this was in my drafts. And then I was like, man, I think I got to send it. So that's why you were so confident about it. I was feeling really confident about it. And it killed.

[35:26] It killed. I'm so happy for you. Um, but now we're in a situation where I have to tweet one of my, yes, you must. Cause you, okay, fine. Okay. This last one, like, isn't good. It needs, it needs work. [35:39] And I'm like, maybe it's just cute. Let's just read it. And then if we hate it, we can cut it. Okay. [35:45] Kill Fuck Mary. [35:48] Bad bunny, bad bunny, bad bunny. [35:51] oh do you get the joke no it's like do you know who bad bunny is yeah of course okay it's like [35:58] You see Bad Bunny and you're like, you would kill fuck or marry him. You want to do all three. You see him and you're like, this guy sucks. And then you're like, actually, he's kind of hot. And then you're like, maybe I want to spend my life with him. Right. [36:13] That's not my experience of AdBonding. My experience of it is that he's... [36:18] a very attractive man that like, that, like, [36:20] I don't. [36:22] Like it's just an F for me. Oh, you can't even say it. We've got a Christian girl here. [36:30] Thank you. [36:30] okay what am i doing seventh layer of hell i think seventh layer of hell yeah yeah yeah [36:35] Nice work. [36:36] Thanks. Thanks. Okay. Bye. [36:39] Bye.